Comments for 肥醫生@西九龍貧民區 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com 與你細說有血有肉人的故事 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:38:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 Comment on 漫談單仲偕空降 by Mr. Sin, Please Give Way to Kam Wai « e-Tsui: Underconstruction http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/%e6%bc%ab%e8%ab%87%e5%96%ae%e4%bb%b2%e5%81%95%e7%a9%ba%e9%99%8d/#comment-6940 Mr. Sin, Please Give Way to Kam Wai « e-Tsui: Underconstruction Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:07:19 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=908#comment-6940 [...] Sin, Please Give Way to Kam Wai Dr. Wu Kam Wing commented on Councilor Sin’s plan to compete for a seat in Hong Kong Island Constituency. He suggest [...] [...] Sin, Please Give Way to Kam Wai Dr. Wu Kam Wing commented on Councilor Sin’s plan to compete for a seat in Hong Kong Island Constituency. He suggest [...]

]]> Comment on 全國哀悼日中小民百姓參與 by Let Civil Society do their job « e-Tsui: Underconstruction http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/%e5%85%a8%e5%9c%8b%e5%93%80%e6%82%bc%e6%97%a5%e4%b8%ad%e5%b0%8f%e6%b0%91%e7%99%be%e5%a7%93%e5%8f%83%e8%b2%bf%e8%88%87/#comment-6939 Let Civil Society do their job « e-Tsui: Underconstruction Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:02:07 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=925#comment-6939 [...] Let Civil Society do their job Last week audiences all over the world witnessed the disaster in Sichuan. Human being could be fragile and helpless in front of the brutal force of the nature. Together with the hurricane in Burma, the disaster marked May as the darkest month of the year. However, there are always hope in the saddest tragedy. While we worried about the emotional reactions of Chinese people weeks ago, the earthquake revealed the positive quality of the same nation. While Chinese were plagued with the problem of disunity and selfishness, recent events showed that they are getting rid of these malpractices. The self-mobilization of citizens in response to the disaster was impressive. It is the first time when Chinese civilians organize themselves spontaneously to solve their own problem. Although it might be still quite primitive, it signifies the awakening of civic awareness and the rise of civil society. All of these are the prerequisites of successful democratic development. The political environment of China would not change overnight, and the civil society did encounter obstacles while trying to mobilize for the disaster. It was reported that officials in Sichuan frozen the bank account of a NGO activist, although the incident could hopefully be solve after some negotiations. Red tapes and suspicions against civic associations were widespread, and this could hamper the effort of the civil society. While some members of the civil society questioned the rescue strategy of the government, or the problem of bean-curd architectures, they were often accused by the “patriots” for being “cold-blooded”. Nevertheless, the civil society remained active and energetic. Government officials have improved their transparency and accountability out of this pressure, no matter how reluctant they were (At least they performed much better than in previous disaster, e.g. 1976 Tangshan earthquake. They were all angels if we compared them with the corrupt and irresponsive Burmese government). For examples, officials appeared on the web yesterday, and publicly responded to the queries of the public. The Chinese civil society are mobilizing their own resources for the relief work of the disaster. They are capable of monitoring the rescue work of the government, and they will query about the corruption leading to part of the casualty. The civil society may be still quite primitive in global standard, but their small steps marked the country’s progress towards maturity. We would not know when will these positive changes would made China a democracy. It might take several decades, or even a century. What would be sure is that the labor of Chinese civil society paved way for Chinese democratic development. If we really wish to promote political improvements in China, supporting Chinese civil society and NGOs in disaster relief would be much more constructive than accusing the authoritarian regime by those ridiculous heavenly-punishment theories. Please also read the following links: Bloggers in China mobilized spontaneously to offer help A blog by Chinese Civil Society activist commenting the condition in Sichuan News about the relief effort by NGOs Mourn for the disaster on 19/5/2008 [...] [...] Let Civil Society do their job Last week audiences all over the world witnessed the disaster in Sichuan. Human being could be fragile and helpless in front of the brutal force of the nature. Together with the hurricane in Burma, the disaster marked May as the darkest month of the year. However, there are always hope in the saddest tragedy. While we worried about the emotional reactions of Chinese people weeks ago, the earthquake revealed the positive quality of the same nation. While Chinese were plagued with the problem of disunity and selfishness, recent events showed that they are getting rid of these malpractices. The self-mobilization of citizens in response to the disaster was impressive. It is the first time when Chinese civilians organize themselves spontaneously to solve their own problem. Although it might be still quite primitive, it signifies the awakening of civic awareness and the rise of civil society. All of these are the prerequisites of successful democratic development. The political environment of China would not change overnight, and the civil society did encounter obstacles while trying to mobilize for the disaster. It was reported that officials in Sichuan frozen the bank account of a NGO activist, although the incident could hopefully be solve after some negotiations. Red tapes and suspicions against civic associations were widespread, and this could hamper the effort of the civil society. While some members of the civil society questioned the rescue strategy of the government, or the problem of bean-curd architectures, they were often accused by the “patriots” for being “cold-blooded”. Nevertheless, the civil society remained active and energetic. Government officials have improved their transparency and accountability out of this pressure, no matter how reluctant they were (At least they performed much better than in previous disaster, e.g. 1976 Tangshan earthquake. They were all angels if we compared them with the corrupt and irresponsive Burmese government). For examples, officials appeared on the web yesterday, and publicly responded to the queries of the public. The Chinese civil society are mobilizing their own resources for the relief work of the disaster. They are capable of monitoring the rescue work of the government, and they will query about the corruption leading to part of the casualty. The civil society may be still quite primitive in global standard, but their small steps marked the country’s progress towards maturity. We would not know when will these positive changes would made China a democracy. It might take several decades, or even a century. What would be sure is that the labor of Chinese civil society paved way for Chinese democratic development. If we really wish to promote political improvements in China, supporting Chinese civil society and NGOs in disaster relief would be much more constructive than accusing the authoritarian regime by those ridiculous heavenly-punishment theories. Please also read the following links: Bloggers in China mobilized spontaneously to offer help A blog by Chinese Civil Society activist commenting the condition in Sichuan News about the relief effort by NGOs Mourn for the disaster on 19/5/2008 [...]

]]> Comment on 年青民建聯vs老邁支聯會 by A Forgotten Tragedy « e-Tsui: Underconstruction http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/%e5%b9%b4%e9%9d%92%e6%b0%91%e5%bb%ba%e8%81%afvs%e8%80%81%e9%82%81%e6%94%af%e8%81%af%e6%9c%83/#comment-6938 A Forgotten Tragedy « e-Tsui: Underconstruction Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:00:39 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=907#comment-6938 [...] A Forgotten Tragedy A few days later, it will be the 19th anniversary of Tiananmen massacre. It seems that the tragedy was largely forgotten by the Chinese people, except a few devoted citizens in Hong Kong. It was a frustrating experience while reading how Chinese, especially the younger generation born after the economic reform, respond to the issue. They were contented with the recent achievements of China and attribute it to the crackdown of the democratic movement, and failed to acknowledge the country is still being troubled by enormous problems. They often justified the violence by foreign conspiracy. While it is true that foreign countries have their own motives (a basic assumption of International Studies), it would be unwise to reject improvements just because they were proposed by the foreign. Liberty and democracy are valuable not because of they are originated from the western or so-called modern world, the ultimate reason for the achievement of these goals is that Chinese people (like all members of the humanity) deserved to live better. However, the fact that the tragedy is fading out from people’s memory pointed out the crisis of the movement led by the Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements of China (ASPC). We may argue that the people lost the memory because of the propaganda by the Chinese Government. While it is true, we should realize the Government’s effort are not omnipotent. The civil society in China, against all odds, was germinating in last decades, and there were waves of social movement in which Chinese people came out to fight for their right. While Chinese lived under an authoritarian regime, they are not (or, at least, many of them are not) idiots without their own mind. We should ask: what had ASPC contributed in last 19 years. Of course they did a great job in preserving the memory of the Tiananmen tragedy, but what else did they contribute? I attended ASPC for years and my feeling is that what they do was increasingly ceremonial. Sometimes I would wonder whether I was attending a church meeting. It is important to held these ceremonies to memorize those sacrificed in the massacre. However, these would only served the interest of who were already “converted” to democratic values. The younger generation would only found that those discourses continued for decades were unrelated to their life, and they would simply ignore, if not reject, these grand narratives. Somehow Democratic value should not be some sort of grand narratives. It should be related to our daily life, as the essence of democracy is to realize that we should solve our own problems in our own society. In this sense, NGO activists who strike for their survival in the restricted public realm, or those journalist (e.g. in Southern Metropolis Post) tried to induce public discussions by writing marginal articles contributed more to the Democratic development of China, while compared with ASPC. We need to renew our strategy in participating the Chinese Democratic Movement. What we need are not only ceremonies (I do not mean that ceremonies are unnecessary), but also some down to earth activities. Say, we could participate in the building up of civil society in China. Without something that could be related to here and now affairs, we would simply bore those younger generations away. Many leaders in ASPC were aging. For example, I feel sad when I saw Sezto Wah’s wrinkles. He is now a old man, but no one in ASPC could replace his leading role. In contrast, the pro-establishment camp recruited a batch of young persons, and they became more energetic. I am depressed by this trend. It is a crisis, and we need to think outside the box. Anyway, I hope I could meet you in Victoria Park the coming Wednesday. Dr. Woo Kam Wing’s post about the aging of ASPC [...] [...] A Forgotten Tragedy A few days later, it will be the 19th anniversary of Tiananmen massacre. It seems that the tragedy was largely forgotten by the Chinese people, except a few devoted citizens in Hong Kong. It was a frustrating experience while reading how Chinese, especially the younger generation born after the economic reform, respond to the issue. They were contented with the recent achievements of China and attribute it to the crackdown of the democratic movement, and failed to acknowledge the country is still being troubled by enormous problems. They often justified the violence by foreign conspiracy. While it is true that foreign countries have their own motives (a basic assumption of International Studies), it would be unwise to reject improvements just because they were proposed by the foreign. Liberty and democracy are valuable not because of they are originated from the western or so-called modern world, the ultimate reason for the achievement of these goals is that Chinese people (like all members of the humanity) deserved to live better. However, the fact that the tragedy is fading out from people’s memory pointed out the crisis of the movement led by the Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements of China (ASPC). We may argue that the people lost the memory because of the propaganda by the Chinese Government. While it is true, we should realize the Government’s effort are not omnipotent. The civil society in China, against all odds, was germinating in last decades, and there were waves of social movement in which Chinese people came out to fight for their right. While Chinese lived under an authoritarian regime, they are not (or, at least, many of them are not) idiots without their own mind. We should ask: what had ASPC contributed in last 19 years. Of course they did a great job in preserving the memory of the Tiananmen tragedy, but what else did they contribute? I attended ASPC for years and my feeling is that what they do was increasingly ceremonial. Sometimes I would wonder whether I was attending a church meeting. It is important to held these ceremonies to memorize those sacrificed in the massacre. However, these would only served the interest of who were already “converted” to democratic values. The younger generation would only found that those discourses continued for decades were unrelated to their life, and they would simply ignore, if not reject, these grand narratives. Somehow Democratic value should not be some sort of grand narratives. It should be related to our daily life, as the essence of democracy is to realize that we should solve our own problems in our own society. In this sense, NGO activists who strike for their survival in the restricted public realm, or those journalist (e.g. in Southern Metropolis Post) tried to induce public discussions by writing marginal articles contributed more to the Democratic development of China, while compared with ASPC. We need to renew our strategy in participating the Chinese Democratic Movement. What we need are not only ceremonies (I do not mean that ceremonies are unnecessary), but also some down to earth activities. Say, we could participate in the building up of civil society in China. Without something that could be related to here and now affairs, we would simply bore those younger generations away. Many leaders in ASPC were aging. For example, I feel sad when I saw Sezto Wah’s wrinkles. He is now a old man, but no one in ASPC could replace his leading role. In contrast, the pro-establishment camp recruited a batch of young persons, and they became more energetic. I am depressed by this trend. It is a crisis, and we need to think outside the box. Anyway, I hope I could meet you in Victoria Park the coming Wednesday. Dr. Woo Kam Wing’s post about the aging of ASPC [...]

]]> Comment on 安得廣廈千萬間 下 by kc http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/%e5%ae%89%e5%be%97%e5%bb%a3%e5%bb%88%e5%8d%83%e8%90%ac%e9%96%93-%e4%b8%8b/#comment-6937 kc Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:21:54 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=991#comment-6937 討論（我指按題那種）要兩個人或以上參與才成。我在留言#44說有興趣知道其他人對教會追求他們的理想（雖然那些理想未必合符耶穌教導也未必令社會人士受益）的看法。有意接下去可以接下去，無意接下去的可以（反正我阻止不了）繼續用人格批評去轉移視線。或許有些人是真誠地相信肥醫生開這回應欄是為讓人去競猜誰最憤怒（而非回應他的文章內容），但最少我上來不是為了這樣，至於其他人怎樣想我就管不了。 <blockquote>你的憤怒在骨子裡 你的反基在每一步 再見 你見教徒難頂 教徒見你難頂</blockquote> 我也想知我如何「在每一步」「反基」，不妨指出－嗯，不過按之前的做法，我得到的大概不是按點回應而是一兩條新指控。 Garlic在這頁提出過的人格指控（可能有遺漏）： 1. 有人要「打倒教會」 (#16) 2. 「這裡似終岐視教徒」 (#23) 3. 「般出教徒的框框來迫人」 (#32) 4. 別人憤怒 (#44) 而且 「憤怒在骨子裡」 (#45) 5. 別人「反基在每一步」 (#45) 6. <-- 在這裏加上 <blockquote>倒希望你徹底忘掉上帝 放過自己 憤怒的人沒有自己</blockquote> <blockquote>如不能寬恕上帝，願你徹底忘掉上帝，找回自己</blockquote> 關上帝何事，這裏的討論如何涉及上帝？還是有人把上帝當成擋箭牌（或自命上帝），把對教徒行為的評論說成對上帝的？ <blockquote>如果我說錯了你是憤怒，你可澄清</blockquote> 澄清，不是正中轉移視線者的下懷，讓其把話題轉到所謂的怒氣嗎？ <blockquote>但我有自己的觀感 正如你有你繼續一樣的判斷我</blockquote> 究竟我對你作過什麼判斷，而且是跟你對我的判斷「一樣」，煩請指出。 <blockquote>老實說，請容我安靜，不要找我了，當我是最最口不對心卑鄙無恥教徒好了 恕我不假裝無限仁慈的教徒，不說歡迎你找我，我想清淨、開心</blockquote> 莫名奇妙：這裏是肥醫生的博客，不是你的家，甚至不是你的博客。你要「安靜」，極其量可以不上來，但別說成人家強逼你上來、強逼你讀我的文字。 <blockquote>我會迫自己再來一次聽你回應，請肥醫生成全，讓KC盡情說， 我其實感到肥醫生骨子裡是上帝跟從者，他想和平</blockquote> 未聽過留個言都要請人成全，也不認為肥醫生怎樣管理此博客需要你的指揮。真正的上帝跟從者，自然會對路加 20:46-47有所警惕，我想不用你操心。 <blockquote>現在開始好怕 怕各方面，因直言面面得罪哂了</blockquote> 究竟你得罪了誰？我看不出。如有，是因為直言還是什麼，又是另一回事。 若想重新就文章內容回應的話，可從這裏開始： <blockquote>教會是工業, 是一門生意, 做得不好就失去客仔, 木Ｃ收入就少了.教會甚致close-down… 那木Ｃ咪要申請綜援？ 請諒解佢地..</blockquote> 教會向來就是門生意。我不反對他們做生意，不過同時希望人們認清教會的生意本質，亦希望人們會督促教會守其他生意都遵守的遊戲規則。 討論（我指按題那種）要兩個人或以上參與才成。我在留言#44說有興趣知道其他人對教會追求他們的理想（雖然那些理想未必合符耶穌教導也未必令社會人士受益）的看法。有意接下去可以接下去，無意接下去的可以（反正我阻止不了）繼續用人格批評去轉移視線。或許有些人是真誠地相信肥醫生開這回應欄是為讓人去競猜誰最憤怒（而非回應他的文章內容），但最少我上來不是為了這樣，至於其他人怎樣想我就管不了。

你的憤怒在骨子裡
你的反基在每一步
再見
你見教徒難頂
教徒見你難頂

我也想知我如何「在每一步」「反基」，不妨指出－嗯，不過按之前的做法，我得到的大概不是按點回應而是一兩條新指控。

Garlic在這頁提出過的人格指控（可能有遺漏）：
1. 有人要「打倒教會」 (#16)
2. 「這裡似終岐視教徒」 (#23)
3. 「般出教徒的框框來迫人」 (#32)
4. 別人憤怒 (#44) 而且 「憤怒在骨子裡」 (#45)
5. 別人「反基在每一步」 (#45)
6. <– 在這裏加上

倒希望你徹底忘掉上帝
放過自己
憤怒的人沒有自己

如不能寬恕上帝，願你徹底忘掉上帝，找回自己

關上帝何事，這裏的討論如何涉及上帝？還是有人把上帝當成擋箭牌（或自命上帝），把對教徒行為的評論說成對上帝的？

如果我說錯了你是憤怒，你可澄清

澄清，不是正中轉移視線者的下懷，讓其把話題轉到所謂的怒氣嗎？

但我有自己的觀感
正如你有你繼續一樣的判斷我

究竟我對你作過什麼判斷，而且是跟你對我的判斷「一樣」，煩請指出。

老實說，請容我安靜，不要找我了，當我是最最口不對心卑鄙無恥教徒好了
恕我不假裝無限仁慈的教徒，不說歡迎你找我，我想清淨、開心

莫名奇妙：這裏是肥醫生的博客，不是你的家，甚至不是你的博客。你要「安靜」，極其量可以不上來，但別說成人家強逼你上來、強逼你讀我的文字。

我會迫自己再來一次聽你回應，請肥醫生成全，讓KC盡情說，
我其實感到肥醫生骨子裡是上帝跟從者，他想和平

未聽過留個言都要請人成全，也不認為肥醫生怎樣管理此博客需要你的指揮。真正的上帝跟從者，自然會對路加 20:46-47有所警惕，我想不用你操心。

現在開始好怕
怕各方面，因直言面面得罪哂了

究竟你得罪了誰？我看不出。如有，是因為直言還是什麼，又是另一回事。

若想重新就文章內容回應的話，可從這裏開始：

教會是工業, 是一門生意, 做得不好就失去客仔, 木Ｃ收入就少了.教會甚致close-down…
那木Ｃ咪要申請綜援？ 請諒解佢地..

教會向來就是門生意。我不反對他們做生意，不過同時希望人們認清教會的生意本質，亦希望人們會督促教會守其他生意都遵守的遊戲規則。

]]> Comment on 又再吹正香港 by 病人球@教學醫院 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/%e5%8f%88%e5%86%8d%e5%90%b9%e6%ad%a3%e9%a6%99%e6%b8%af/#comment-6936 病人球@教學醫院 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:54:49 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=1087#comment-6936 dr fat,之前你又叫我唔好貼URL 既!!!! 點解人地貼又咁成功既??? dr fat,之前你又叫我唔好貼URL 既!!!!

點解人地貼又咁成功既???

]]> Comment on 又再吹正香港 by the devil angels http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/%e5%8f%88%e5%86%8d%e5%90%b9%e6%ad%a3%e9%a6%99%e6%b8%af/#comment-6935 the devil angels Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:08:52 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=1087#comment-6935 http://tw.truveo.com/HAARP-CBC-Broadcast-Weather-control-part-1/id/3590334078 http://tw.truveo.com/HAARP-CBC-Broadcast-Weather-control-part-1/id/3590334078

]]> Comment on 又再吹正香港 by 病人球@教學醫院 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/%e5%8f%88%e5%86%8d%e5%90%b9%e6%ad%a3%e9%a6%99%e6%b8%af/#comment-6934 病人球@教學醫院 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:28:07 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=1087#comment-6934 TO PAUL少, HEI,我唔講DR FAT都好少覆我la!!! sorry more appropriately,dr fat都幾少覆人ga!!! dr fat,寫自己野更少la!!!(發 "勞so" 除外) =p TO PAUL少,

HEI,我唔講DR FAT都好少覆我la!!!

sorry more appropriately,dr fat都幾少覆人ga!!!

dr fat,寫自己野更少la!!!(發 “勞so” 除外) =p

]]> Comment on 又再吹正香港 by Paul少 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/%e5%8f%88%e5%86%8d%e5%90%b9%e6%ad%a3%e9%a6%99%e6%b8%af/#comment-6933 Paul少 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:01:37 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=1087#comment-6933 To "another doctor" 雖我不是地理科出生...但每次打風, 我也會看菲律賓及韓國天文台的風球路徑圖, 以作比較 To 病人球@教學醫院 嘩, 你咁講, 會嚇到肥醫生以後唔敢寫自己野, 回覆你, 哈哈 To “another doctor”
雖我不是地理科出生…但每次打風, 我也會看菲律賓及韓國天文台的風球路徑圖, 以作比較

To 病人球@教學醫院
嘩, 你咁講, 會嚇到肥醫生以後唔敢寫自己野, 回覆你, 哈哈

]]> Comment on 又再吹正香港 by another doctor http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/%e5%8f%88%e5%86%8d%e5%90%b9%e6%ad%a3%e9%a6%99%e6%b8%af/#comment-6932 another doctor Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:36:47 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=1087#comment-6932 The study of why hurrican changes direction or the path of hurrican takes is a serious subject. Several significant researchers studying the carribean hurricans are Chinese. And I guess the CUHK earth science dept have some clever people to help the HKO. The big red spot in Jupiter may give answer to the thermal effect of the earth, so it is not that irrelevant...?? Right, yes, are you being transfer out of CMC ? where is dr fat heading? The study of why hurrican changes direction or the path of hurrican takes is a serious subject. Several significant researchers studying the carribean hurricans are Chinese. And I guess the CUHK earth science dept have some clever people to help the HKO.
The big red spot in Jupiter may give answer to the thermal effect of the earth, so it is not that irrelevant…??

Right, yes, are you being transfer out of CMC ? where is dr fat heading?

]]> Comment on 又再吹正香港 by 病人球@教學醫院 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/%e5%8f%88%e5%86%8d%e5%90%b9%e6%ad%a3%e9%a6%99%e6%b8%af/#comment-6931 病人球@教學醫院 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:07:09 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/?p=1087#comment-6931 dr fat,你個blog只可用文字/符號去表達感倩. 對大家表達關心,某程度上造成一定難度. 太肉麻好難寫出o黎. 不如轉去yahoo ar!!!可以用公仔ga!!!所以我成日都鍚鍚人ga!!!! 轉o黎yahoo,我就可以鍚你la!!! dr fat,你個blog只可用文字/符號去表達感倩. 對大家表達關心,某程度上造成一定難度.

太肉麻好難寫出o黎.

不如轉去yahoo ar!!!可以用公仔ga!!!所以我成日都鍚鍚人ga!!!!

轉o黎yahoo,我就可以鍚你la!!!

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