mr.patient ball, a knowledgeble patient can be a good teacher as well. Your comment on surgeons are particularly true, the outcome affect the patients’ whole life.
I am sure some young doctors will learn from your mis-adventure and not to make the same mistake for their future patient.
Exam in medical school or in medicine, are always a mass phenomenon. cadiates are part of the statistic; students who are at risk, should seek advice and help from good professors who really care. (ie some professors do not care, make sure you know the difference.)
I am sorry about this med student, undertreated.
Knwoing both CUHK HKU, the CU prof has done a lot in mental promotion, he has his limits of course. HKU has done what??
We have been losing too many classmates during these three years of study.
病人球,
She was a good girl and student, it was not her fault to be a EAS student. Please dont be so harsh to her, no matter she made the right choice or not, it’s sth that no one can change, just leave her in peace, please.
We have taken too much of dr fat’s space.
No need to praise any doctor or anyone. The reality is I know no doctor or person as saint, we all make mistake, only some regret and admit and remind himself not to make the same mistake, while some refuse and blame others.
Most doctors want to help.
“The reality is I know no doctor or person as saint, we all make mistake, only some regret and admit and remind himself not to make the same mistake, while some refuse and blame others.”<=無知的小孩一晚長大了,所以10年已知道!!!正當世界+科技10年O黎不斷進步既時候,原來有個地方係10年如一日ga!!!!至於邊度,大家心照la!!!但如果有人唔知,sorry,我唔開估,費事等陣有人話我express anger!!!
“Most doctors want to help.”<=hope so la!!!但似乎都係NO HOPE,NO EXPECTAIION好D!!!因為TOUCH WOOD遇到 “some refuse and blame others.”都會有心理準備!!!費事等陣又比話係我有太高EXPECTATION!!!比位人入就唔好la!!!
27個回應
十二月 11, 2008 at 9:59 am
今日睇到生果日報都覺得好震撼!!!
不如大家都學下劉吳惠蘭一樣冇腦-公開呼籲僱主不要裁員，只要員工減一半薪水便可！
或者,大家就會明白,快樂原是簡單的道理.
其實cu係咪都應該學下hku關注一下ms既精神健康!!!!???
好似某教授(應該係情緒病好鬼出名o哥個)o係tv度批評hk既精神科/精神健康既政策唔好!咁不如由cu開始攪好先!
我成日都覺cu medical school要把好關ga la!
anyway,祝死者一路好走!
十二月 11, 2008 at 11:15 am
想當年我apply med school 的時候，聽說CU 的policy 比較嚴，例如第一年若考試失敗，一喺轉科，一喺補考，但若補考失敗的話，就要out U。現在還是不是這樣的情況？
不是我賣花讚花香，HKU真是任你留班的，好多人更一留留幾年！因為好多大醫生的仔女都還在留班…
十二月 11, 2008 at 1:20 pm
“第一年若考試失敗，一喺轉科，一喺補考，但若補考失敗的話，就要out U” … 我所知自 CU 成立醫學院以來一直有這政策，故 CU 醫學院大可以用最公關行貨式的 “這僅屬個別事件” 口吻打發各有關人士及傳媒走。
十二月 11, 2008 at 1:23 pm
cu而家會唔改左policy?!
otherwise,點解我會o係骨科門診遇到10萬個驚嚇既dr!!!
1st dr-2004 grad,2007 sopd,見我隻腳tape(taping!)左,反問番我轉頭(taping)係野o黎ga?!當時真係千億萬個後悔冇帶taping既notes去fu!
2nd dr-2005 grad,2007 sopd,幫我check完腳,就話懷疑我有其他病!(RA!)最有病o哥個係佢lor! ddx=knowledge deficiency!!!
11/1/2008 medic,我遇到2005 grad患有knowledge deficiency既dr既同學,佢一睇就話我冇RA!(呢個其實我都知,唔洗佢講,只係骨科班人既RA知識太空白啫!
留班,其實一個幾好既制度,CU真係好值得學!
1st,ms冇咁大壓力
2nd,醫好有knowledge deficiency既ms,對病人保障大d
3rd,dr有料,較易得到病人既信任!
4th,唔掂既dr(尤其係骨科/外科呢d手術科)對病人+佢地既家人既影響係一世ga!!!因為手術係non reversable!
低能dr既白痴決定會影響病人一世!!!
讀醫難,行醫更難!!希望年輕人揀medic前真係停一停,諗一諗!!!要三思!!!
其實,
十二月 11, 2008 at 1:27 pm
“反問番我轉頭(taping)係野o黎ga?!”<=sorry打漏左個乜字!
成句係-反問番我轉頭(taping)係乜野o黎ga?!”
上句回應,最後既其實係想講:
現時尖子要求對其他學系o黎講可能已足夠,但對medic o黎講會唔會低左d???
十二月 11, 2008 at 3:27 pm
mr.patient ball, a knowledgeble patient can be a good teacher as well. Your comment on surgeons are particularly true, the outcome affect the patients’ whole life.
I am sure some young doctors will learn from your mis-adventure and not to make the same mistake for their future patient.
Exam in medical school or in medicine, are always a mass phenomenon. cadiates are part of the statistic; students who are at risk, should seek advice and help from good professors who really care. (ie some professors do not care, make sure you know the difference.)
I am sorry about this med student, undertreated.
Knwoing both CUHK HKU, the CU prof has done a lot in mental promotion, he has his limits of course. HKU has done what??
十二月 11, 2008 at 4:33 pm
ANOTHER DR:
我係女仔o黎ga,煩請改用miss!謝謝!
o係某個渠道,我知道即使唔太young既dr都好似由我個case learn a lesson!!!但教學醫院骨科班 “人” 咁樣對個病人先learn a lesson,對病人甚至病人既家人o黎講會唔會太狠太毒!!!
的確cu o係mental promotion對外做左好多野!!!所以而家似乎係時候,對內做番d野!!!
sorry我係外人,我淨係睇到cu凡係對外既野,就會done a lot ga la!面子攸關ma!haha!
我實在太鍾意hku medic la!(其實可能因為我太痛恨cu medic!)或等我呢個唔係好知既外行人講下hku做左乜!如有錯漏,還望hku人多多包涵!!!
“香 港 大 學 醫 學 院 推 廣 精 神 健 康 急 救 課 程 ， 對 象 是 醫 科 學 生 ， 務 求 讓 更 多 人 學 會 處 理 緊 急 精 神 問 題 。”
” 港 大 醫 學 院 精 神 醫 學 系 助 理 教 授 王 穎 珊 指 出 ， 課 程 有 助 讀 醫 的 同 學 減 輕 精 神 壓 力 ， 也 令 他 們 在 學 懂 照 顧 別 人 前 ， 先 學 會 照 顧 自 己 。”
quoted from apple daily dated 28/6/2007 健康與醫療中第二篇<>
(sorry 我唔識點copy & paste條link o係dr fat個blog度,我post親url個回應都會唔見的)
下面係一d完成課程既學員感想:
“我們應該把握現在，珍惜所有，趁現在有能力就多些幫助別人，上了這個課程後，我會多一點關懷身邊的人。”
extracted from其中一個學員Jenny Tang
“至於完成此課程的各學員， 除了在精神急救中出一分力外， 相信也能為身邊的人推廣精神健康。 在香港這生活緊張的地方， 推廣精神健康尤為重要， 所以我會極力推介這課程給身邊的朋友及同學， 希望能惠及更多的人， 讓人們也能在一個精神健康的社會生活。”
extracted from另一個學員Daniel
(sorry我真係唔識點樣可以post條url出o黎,如果大家想睇呢2位學位+其他學員對課程既感想,麻煩大家要去yahoo search 精神健康急救課程,應該第5個就會見到學員感想!)
十二月 11, 2008 at 4:36 pm
我打既時候中間係有野ga,點解冇左?!
anyway,我打番la,
十二月 11, 2008 at 4:37 pm
點解仲係冇字既?
再打,
希望今次d字會出到!
十二月 11, 2008 at 4:38 pm
港大推出精神急救課程
出到未呢?
十二月 11, 2008 at 6:39 pm
星屑醫生,
對, 第一年SUPPLE肥左就要轉系無得留低。
PRE-CLIN及CLIN各可以留一年, 否則BYEBYE~
病人球,
作為一個醫學生, 有無那些”精神急救課程” 根本唔重要, 因為當考試壓力而令情緒低落既時候, 身邊同學親戚朋友教授的鼓勵與支持絕對比那些我們根本唔會想花時間去上既”課程”重要。
其實中大都知道三年級(由PRE-CLINICAL上CLINICAL)是壓力很大的一年, 都曾經想做一D野幫我地, 不過真係無咩可以做到…
講到底,做醫生,原本就係要係壓力下成長。
十二月 12, 2008 at 12:48 am
We have been losing too many classmates during these three years of study.
病人球,
She was a good girl and student, it was not her fault to be a EAS student. Please dont be so harsh to her, no matter she made the right choice or not, it’s sth that no one can change, just leave her in peace, please.
十二月 12, 2008 at 8:40 am
yes, pls don’t use this news as a platform to express your anger towards the ortho doctor
十二月 12, 2008 at 10:17 am
to MS:
bye bye 好慘，幾年心血就白廢了… 24歲畢業變了27，幾年的青春… 壓力真是可想而知…
十二月 12, 2008 at 2:12 pm
to ms,
其實除左dr外,根本所有人都要o係壓力下成長!!!!
只係dr係比其他人大好多好多好多好多好多倍!!!
to c,
sorry我冇話佢做eas係一個fault!!!請你都唔好too harsh on me, PLEASE!!!
十二月 12, 2008 at 2:13 pm
SORRY, 用錯PREPOSITION, 應該係請你都唔好too harsh TO me, PLEASE!!!
十二月 12, 2008 at 2:48 pm
to ms,
sorry,唔用呢個news我仲有大把platform去express我既anger towards ort dr!!!!!
十二月 12, 2008 at 6:17 pm
星屑醫生,
對…或許只有行內人先可以明白到我們只求生存的壓力。
病人球小姐,
我好奇想問下你做緊什麼行業?
十二月 13, 2008 at 12:32 pm
TO MS+c/all cu ms who are hurt by my comment,
如果你地覺得我o係dr fat個blog/自己個blog既comment係對死者harsh,我只可以講sorry!或者係comment既時候真係太從自己出發,冇諗過對死者/佢既朋友/家人/同學既影響!
sorry once again!
TO MS,
account.
但我既medical knowledge唔係我formal study/工作得番o黎ga!!
十二月 13, 2008 at 8:08 pm
其實我真係好想知道大家對醫學院的內情知多少…?
在下也在中大醫學院畢業, 知道當年(其實只係近幾年內的事) 有人曾因為一些問題找過某某精神科教授 (該教授上堂時也有對同學宣傳精神健康的重要), 教授對那人既回應係: 因為conflict of interest (就係如果同時又係教授學生、又係病人醫生既關係, 會被人話conflict of interest, 有影響考試評分之), 所有同學case一概不會受理, 請自己出去另找幫忙~
所以教授係只識講, 到真係有需要既時候係唔會理你, 一樣人球照掟可也
十二月 13, 2008 at 8:08 pm
其實我真係好想知道大家對醫學院的內情知多少…?
在下也在中大醫學院畢業, 知道當年(其實只係近幾年內的事) 有人曾因為一些問題找過某某精神科教授 (該教授上堂時也有對同學宣傳精神健康的重要), 教授對那人既回應係: 因為conflict of interest (就係如果同時又係教授學生、又係病人醫生既關係, 會被人話conflict of interest, 有影響考試評分之嫌疑), 所有同學case一概不會受理, 請自己出去另找幫忙~
所以教授係只識講, 到真係有需要既時候係唔會理你, 一樣人球照掟可也
十二月 15, 2008 at 9:46 am
to ex-ms,
多謝你講出內情!等大家(尤其是行外人)更清楚內情!
你既經歷更加說明了,醫科教授係扮野能手!其實dr fat o係佢既舊blog都提過某2個大教授既演技了,大家有時間,不妨去睇下!
各位還在學的ms,事在人為,如果d高層係言行一致,雖然未必做到nothing impossible!因為始終有limitation!但應該唔會冇野做到出o黎!
醫院成日都話有好多野唔可以做/做唔到,但如果高層肯做,原本唔可以做/做唔到既野突然間就會做到!
醫院係好神奇!同樣,醫學院都可以好神奇!
女神童不是最好的例子嗎??? sorry唔係想分化你地cu!
只係想講我呢個外人睇到/覺得cu擺左好多心機,時間,精力去栽培佢!!!而你地既需要,其實只係想-”當考試壓力而令情緒低落既時候, 身邊同學親戚朋友教授的鼓勵與支持”,如果d大教授肯將栽培神童既心機,時間,精力share d比你地!!!你地既壓力雖然未必得到緩緩,但起碼你地會知有人係care你地,唔係搶左你地番o黎就將你地掟埋一邊!!!
都唔明,神童cu得一個,但叻人cu medic一定有好多!與其花全副精神去栽培一個人,不如將同樣既精神去栽培一班叻人!!!神童他日點叻點好,都唔可以將cu medic推向世界級學府,因為一間世界級學府唔係+唔可以只靠一個人既力量!!!
所以各位還在學既cu ms,你地與其不切實際希望醫學院/人格分裂既教授去幫你地去care你地,不如你主動d去搵人幫你地!!!
不過,我都要對cu既prof公平d,因為裡面真係有好人!但相信唔多!
相信好多人(尤其你既師兄師姐)都會好樂意去care你地!!!o係blog度,可以搵到好多好caring既dr!
你地有時間都開番個blog-一個發洩/seek help的好地方!!最好去yahoo,比較user friendly d!!!人氣又多d!!!
希望你地可以早日出傷痛中走出o黎!!!
十二月 15, 2008 at 10:43 am
唔好意思,以下回應,唔係想增加大家既傷痛 or express my anger,呢個回應只係回應番another dr較早前既一個回應!!!!希望大家可以比小妹借個位o黎用下!!謝謝!!
to another dr:
sorry,咁遲先回應番您o哥句-”a knowledgeble patient can be a good teacher as well. ”
多謝dr有廣闊既胸襟,可以將病人視為teacher,好多dr會視為挑戰!!!
其實knowledgeble patient 未必係一件好事,好視乎個病人咩原因+點樣去capture呢d knowledge!!!
我自己絶對一個慘痛既情況下capture番o黎,當然過程中都有好多好好既醫護去幫我/教我!!!冇佢地既幫助,我一定唔會識咁多!!!
腳跛了+同dr之間既信任冇了+關係僵了=我獲取醫學知識既代價,太沉重了!!!如果有得比我揀我想做個 “也也烏” 病人!!!!
而家先知,可以做個 “也也烏” 病人,原來係一種福氣,某程度上更代表了身體健康!!!
所以,作為dr,見到”也也烏” 病人應該開心!!!
十二月 16, 2008 at 10:22 am
We have taken too much of dr fat’s space.
No need to praise any doctor or anyone. The reality is I know no doctor or person as saint, we all make mistake, only some regret and admit and remind himself not to make the same mistake, while some refuse and blame others.
Most doctors want to help.
十二月 16, 2008 at 11:17 am
to another dr:
thx for reply!
乜您都知我地佔用左dr fat好多地方咩???晨早叫你開blog,又唔啋人!!!
“The reality is I know no doctor or person as saint, we all make mistake, only some regret and admit and remind himself not to make the same mistake, while some refuse and blame others.”<=無知的小孩一晚長大了,所以10年已知道!!!正當世界+科技10年O黎不斷進步既時候,原來有個地方係10年如一日ga!!!!至於邊度,大家心照la!!!但如果有人唔知,sorry,我唔開估,費事等陣有人話我express anger!!!
“Most doctors want to help.”<=hope so la!!!但似乎都係NO HOPE,NO EXPECTAIION好D!!!因為TOUCH WOOD遇到 “some refuse and blame others.”都會有心理準備!!!費事等陣又比話係我有太高EXPECTATION!!!比位人入就唔好la!!!
真攪笑,由頭到尾都冇任何EXPECTATION,哪裡會有太高呢??? (同樣,今次我都冇指明道姓,如有關人仕見字,請勿對號入座!!!而其他人則請不要作太多聯想!!謝謝!!!)
btw,another dr,您肯開blog未呢???
十二月 16, 2008 at 11:18 am
sorry,打漏左個前字,成句係
無知的小孩一晚長大了,所以10年前已知道!!!
十二月 25, 2008 at 3:02 pm
to all ms,
聖誕la,祝你地平安健康!