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	<description>與你細說有血有肉人的故事</description>
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		<title>By: brownie</title>
		<link>http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/%e6%b8%af%e6%ae%a4/#comment-6055</link>
		<dc:creator>brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>過了幾個小時也消不了心中的悶氣,沉甸甸得讓我透不過氣.  是&#039;紅潮&#039;(not red tides)襲港吧.  他們的語氣不像香港人吧! &quot;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>過了幾個小時也消不了心中的悶氣,沉甸甸得讓我透不過氣.  是&#8217;紅潮&#8217;(not red tides)襲港吧.  他們的語氣不像香港人吧! &#8220;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: brownie</title>
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		<dc:creator>brownie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 08:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stoogie 

你所說的&#039;吃英女王奶水長大&#039;我感到非常非常難過,你我可以選擇出生地嗎? 吃英女王奶水長大是我的錯嗎? 為甚麼你我的祖先在清朝末期那麼爛.  國共內戰和文革時代的人好過嗎? 國共內戰,共產黨用了多少條人民的生命作踏板來築路? 因為以往的錯誤,耽誤了我國發展多久?  

我是衷心的感謝英女王的奶水, 最起碼我懂得理智的分析對與錯,也學懂從不同角度去了解事情.  麻木的跟隨是愚笨的做法.  沒有當天的奶水,沒有今天的香港.

請打開你的心胸吧!!  

為了你的說話,我真不能想像明天的香港!!!!  (長嘆) 你讓我的假期加了1kg 的沉重.  Good Luck, Hong Kong !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stoogie </p>
<p>你所說的&#8217;吃英女王奶水長大&#8217;我感到非常非常難過,你我可以選擇出生地嗎? 吃英女王奶水長大是我的錯嗎? 為甚麼你我的祖先在清朝末期那麼爛.  國共內戰和文革時代的人好過嗎? 國共內戰,共產黨用了多少條人民的生命作踏板來築路? 因為以往的錯誤,耽誤了我國發展多久?  </p>
<p>我是衷心的感謝英女王的奶水, 最起碼我懂得理智的分析對與錯,也學懂從不同角度去了解事情.  麻木的跟隨是愚笨的做法.  沒有當天的奶水,沒有今天的香港.</p>
<p>請打開你的心胸吧!!  </p>
<p>為了你的說話,我真不能想像明天的香港!!!!  (長嘆) 你讓我的假期加了1kg 的沉重.  Good Luck, Hong Kong !</p>
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		<title>By: hihkhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>hihkhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 07:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your views, which are also mine.  What I can think of about these recent irrational things in our and other societies is 親者痛、仇者快.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your views, which are also mine.  What I can think of about these recent irrational things in our and other societies is 親者痛、仇者快.</p>
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		<title>By: hihkhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>hihkhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 07:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr Fat, really thank you for sharing your views, which are also mine.  What I can say about those irrational things that we recently encountered in Hong Kong and around the world is 親者痛、仇者快.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr Fat, really thank you for sharing your views, which are also mine.  What I can say about those irrational things that we recently encountered in Hong Kong and around the world is 親者痛、仇者快.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 06:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 唐不息,

I am not trying to argue with you, but I have been constantly visiting mitbbs/tianya for almost 2 years already (partially due to the fact that lots of my mainland Chinese friends in grad sch talk about them), and I did also read the two threads. Honestly, the replies on those threads are still negative, although with less aggression. In particular, she was still coined as a traitor by many.  And I guess you don’t call someone a traitor while you truly feel sorry for him/her.

While I was reading the forums, I often found it very ironic. Have you ever wonder why a lot of the mainland fellows hate the Dalai Lama so much, and denounce him as a “splitist” while on the other hand, he repeatedly claim that he is against independence,  and he just wants more freedom for his fellow Tibetans? Similarly, back to the 80s, I lived in China for couple years. And there were lots of Japanese dramas and animations being broadcasted on the national channels. Sino-Japan relation was truly harmonious. But then, especially after the Tiananmen Square Massacre, you can see that those programs were gradually replaced by many of the anti-Japan dramas. And I was completely shocked when I visit China again on 2005 that almost all the channels are showing some kind of anti-Japan dramas/programs. Why? You must be smart enough to understand what I am trying to say here.

Best,
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi 唐不息,</p>
<p>I am not trying to argue with you, but I have been constantly visiting mitbbs/tianya for almost 2 years already (partially due to the fact that lots of my mainland Chinese friends in grad sch talk about them), and I did also read the two threads. Honestly, the replies on those threads are still negative, although with less aggression. In particular, she was still coined as a traitor by many.  And I guess you don’t call someone a traitor while you truly feel sorry for him/her.</p>
<p>While I was reading the forums, I often found it very ironic. Have you ever wonder why a lot of the mainland fellows hate the Dalai Lama so much, and denounce him as a “splitist” while on the other hand, he repeatedly claim that he is against independence,  and he just wants more freedom for his fellow Tibetans? Similarly, back to the 80s, I lived in China for couple years. And there were lots of Japanese dramas and animations being broadcasted on the national channels. Sino-Japan relation was truly harmonious. But then, especially after the Tiananmen Square Massacre, you can see that those programs were gradually replaced by many of the anti-Japan dramas. And I was completely shocked when I visit China again on 2005 that almost all the channels are showing some kind of anti-Japan dramas/programs. Why? You must be smart enough to understand what I am trying to say here.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>By: 唐不息</title>
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		<dc:creator>唐不息</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 00:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Dr. Fei is correct that I&#039;m not a frequent visitor to this blog.  I suspect that you are also not very familiar with MITBBS.  If you read the ChinaNews board on the same day of the San Francisco torch rally (as well as the Duke events), those of us most excited by the events were posting the most frequently.  We also had very few details about Wang Qianyuan, except that she &quot;helped&quot; the Tibetan independence protesters.

With time, we learned more about Wang Qianyuan.  Here are a few more threads from MITBBS about Wang Qianyuan:

http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Chinese/31010769.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/RisingChina/30357359.html

Tianya, KDNet were similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Dr. Fei is correct that I&#8217;m not a frequent visitor to this blog.  I suspect that you are also not very familiar with MITBBS.  If you read the ChinaNews board on the same day of the San Francisco torch rally (as well as the Duke events), those of us most excited by the events were posting the most frequently.  We also had very few details about Wang Qianyuan, except that she &#8220;helped&#8221; the Tibetan independence protesters.</p>
<p>With time, we learned more about Wang Qianyuan.  Here are a few more threads from MITBBS about Wang Qianyuan:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Chinese/31010769.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Chinese/31010769.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/RisingChina/30357359.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/RisingChina/30357359.html</a></p>
<p>Tianya, KDNet were similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;一些自高自大香港精英分只会反对不会爱国，我觉得也伤心。&quot;

What is patroitic? What&#039;s wrong with opposition? Why can people like Noam Chomsky speak against his country, and at the same time a lot of the americans consider him as patroit? And why cant it happen in China?

「 幾 乎 每 一 個 人 都 是 用 害 這 個 國 家 的 辦 法 來 愛 這 個 國 家 ， 用 害 這 個 民 族 的 辦 法 來 愛 這 個 民 族 。 你 說 天 安 門 這 些 大 人 物 ， 他 們 難 道 不 愛 這 個 國 家 ？ 但 他 們 卻 用 這 種 方 法 來 愛 。 一 些 人 常 說 ： 『 我 非 常 愛 我 的 國 家 。 』 我 說 ： 『 你 不 要 再 愛 了 ， 這 個 國 家 不 能 再 愛 了 ， 再 愛 就 愛 死 了 。 』 你 得 用 適 當 的 方 法 來 愛 它 才 行 。 你 隨 地 吐 痰 ， 到 處 表 現 髒 、 亂 、 吵 、 窩  鬥 ， 然 後 去 喊 萬 歲 ， 你 這 不 是 愛 國 ， 而 是 害 了 國 家 。 只 要 你 不 替 國 家 丟 人 ， 不 傷 害 國 家 就 夠 了 。 中 國 人 可 以 說 是 世 界 上 所 有 人 中 最 愛 國 的 ， 可 是 世 界 上 最 願 意 當 外 國 人 的 ， 卻 又 都 是 中 國 人 。 」 -- 柏 楊</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;一些自高自大香港精英分只会反对不会爱国，我觉得也伤心。&#8221;</p>
<p>What is patroitic? What&#8217;s wrong with opposition? Why can people like Noam Chomsky speak against his country, and at the same time a lot of the americans consider him as patroit? And why cant it happen in China?</p>
<p>「 幾 乎 每 一 個 人 都 是 用 害 這 個 國 家 的 辦 法 來 愛 這 個 國 家 ， 用 害 這 個 民 族 的 辦 法 來 愛 這 個 民 族 。 你 說 天 安 門 這 些 大 人 物 ， 他 們 難 道 不 愛 這 個 國 家 ？ 但 他 們 卻 用 這 種 方 法 來 愛 。 一 些 人 常 說 ： 『 我 非 常 愛 我 的 國 家 。 』 我 說 ： 『 你 不 要 再 愛 了 ， 這 個 國 家 不 能 再 愛 了 ， 再 愛 就 愛 死 了 。 』 你 得 用 適 當 的 方 法 來 愛 它 才 行 。 你 隨 地 吐 痰 ， 到 處 表 現 髒 、 亂 、 吵 、 窩  鬥 ， 然 後 去 喊 萬 歲 ， 你 這 不 是 愛 國 ， 而 是 害 了 國 家 。 只 要 你 不 替 國 家 丟 人 ， 不 傷 害 國 家 就 夠 了 。 中 國 人 可 以 說 是 世 界 上 所 有 人 中 最 愛 國 的 ， 可 是 世 界 上 最 願 意 當 外 國 人 的 ， 卻 又 都 是 中 國 人 。 」 &#8212; 柏 楊</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well let me further clarify. &quot;Criticizing&quot; probably is too light a word to describe what those people were doing; they were using phrases like &quot;fucking kill the girl&quot;, &quot;kill all of her family memebers&quot;, or even statementa like, &quot;let me rape this traitor!&quot;

I mean, of cause, they are just stating these on the forum, by no mean they will do it. But again, it is verbal violence and it definite show that your statement is flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well let me further clarify. &#8220;Criticizing&#8221; probably is too light a word to describe what those people were doing; they were using phrases like &#8220;fucking kill the girl&#8221;, &#8220;kill all of her family memebers&#8221;, or even statementa like, &#8220;let me rape this traitor!&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean, of cause, they are just stating these on the forum, by no mean they will do it. But again, it is verbal violence and it definite show that your statement is flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;少数积极分子攻击了王千源及家人，很多理性爱国者也伤心。&quot;

I found this very interesting, I have been constanting checking forums like mitbbs.com, around the time of the Duke girl incident, it was almost one sided in the forum that people were criticizing the girl, and described her as a traitor who are willing to do anything just to obtain a US green card. The people posting there are supposed to be the elites of China, plus at the same time, they recevied western education. If they had this kind thought, I cant imagine what were those majority thinking back in Mainland. And you said &quot;少数积极分子攻击了王千源及家人，很多理性爱国者也伤心。&quot;? Please dont pretend that you didt know whats going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;少数积极分子攻击了王千源及家人，很多理性爱国者也伤心。&#8221;</p>
<p>I found this very interesting, I have been constanting checking forums like mitbbs.com, around the time of the Duke girl incident, it was almost one sided in the forum that people were criticizing the girl, and described her as a traitor who are willing to do anything just to obtain a US green card. The people posting there are supposed to be the elites of China, plus at the same time, they recevied western education. If they had this kind thought, I cant imagine what were those majority thinking back in Mainland. And you said &#8220;少数积极分子攻击了王千源及家人，很多理性爱国者也伤心。&#8221;? Please dont pretend that you didt know whats going on.</p>
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		<title>By: 對一些留言的一些回應 &#171; 肥醫生@西九龍貧民區</title>
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		<dc:creator>對一些留言的一些回應 &#171; 肥醫生@西九龍貧民區</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] 看來唐不息並非本BLOG慣常的讀者，「這個香港所謂精英」的光環我真的受不起。如果他有留意開我的BLOG，就會發現我對留言的習慣：我會開放BLOG給絕大部份的留言，但我的回應有時可以延遲幾篇甚至幾個月後再找一篇再寫，有時如果有網友的留言已經答了我的問題，甚至比我表達的立場更為清晰，我就會選擇讓留言自然發展下去。這個BLOG開了多年，我都一直對待有關提問和回應，如果你發未習慣這博客的回應習慣，我也沒有方法。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 看來唐不息並非本BLOG慣常的讀者，「這個香港所謂精英」的光環我真的受不起。如果他有留意開我的BLOG，就會發現我對留言的習慣：我會開放BLOG給絕大部份的留言，但我的回應有時可以延遲幾篇甚至幾個月後再找一篇再寫，有時如果有網友的留言已經答了我的問題，甚至比我表達的立場更為清晰，我就會選擇讓留言自然發展下去。這個BLOG開了多年，我都一直對待有關提問和回應，如果你發未習慣這博客的回應習慣，我也沒有方法。 [...]</p>
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