Comments on: 再思/see Tim的留言 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/ 與你細說有血有肉人的故事 Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:39:29 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: charlie http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5107 charlie Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:01:30 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5107 Hi Dr Fat, Have you seen the movie "The Man from the Earth" which has just been released in November? I am not sure if you can get it in HK now but I think it relates to the resonance of the topic a lot. It is about people's attitudes towards "a different view" in the well-established religion. The essence of the film is not on revoking or challenging Christianity, but on how people react to such different views. btw, it is a good film. Thanks for the discussion. Hi Dr Fat,

Have you seen the movie “The Man from the Earth” which has just been released in November? I am not sure if you can get it in HK now but I think it relates to the resonance of the topic a lot. It is about people’s attitudes towards “a different view” in the well-established religion. The essence of the film is not on revoking or challenging Christianity, but on how people react to such different views. btw, it is a good film.

Thanks for the discussion.

]]> By: Tim http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5102 Tim Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:39:35 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5102 Actually... after spending time thinking of the comment I left... I think i really should apologize for the phase "shame on you"... I am glad that many ppl had think about the topic... and... i also know that my words did not fully present my idea... it would be great if you can email me and we can start talking to about it... i am really sorry for my implusive action... I can't wait for you email... thz for do so... Actually… after spending time thinking of the comment I left… I think i really should apologize for the phase “shame on you”… I am glad that many ppl had think about the topic… and… i also know that my words did not fully present my idea… it would be great if you can email me and we can start talking to about it…

i am really sorry for my implusive action…

I can’t wait for you email…

thz for do so…

]]> By: Paul少 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5098 Paul少 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:10:55 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5098 馬丁路德的改革, 只局限於宗教形式及教義上, 卻沒有將這種腐敗的教牧制度廢掉, 所以到今日, 教會依然存在著很多以宗教為名行騙的人 你看四福音, 耶穌有曾說過, 要按立教牧, 建立教會? 反而祂用一大篇幅預言, 將來有很多假先知, 假門徒呢, 就是今日那班打正"基督教"旗號大肆鋪張的人 所以, 你若無法廢除聖職人士與信眾的利益關係, 無論你來多少次宗教改革, 情況也是一樣 馬丁路德的改革, 只局限於宗教形式及教義上, 卻沒有將這種腐敗的教牧制度廢掉, 所以到今日, 教會依然存在著很多以宗教為名行騙的人

你看四福音, 耶穌有曾說過, 要按立教牧, 建立教會?
反而祂用一大篇幅預言, 將來有很多假先知, 假門徒呢, 就是今日那班打正”基督教”旗號大肆鋪張的人

所以, 你若無法廢除聖職人士與信眾的利益關係, 無論你來多少次宗教改革, 情況也是一樣

]]> By: 肥力 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5093 肥力 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:22:29 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5093 或者我們要先記得，基督宗教有的是「對抗」的傳統。但對抗甚麼，怎樣對抗，確是人言人殊，不過，愈能標榜純潔的言論，就愈顯眼，甚至愈有市場。 或者我們要先記得，基督宗教有的是「對抗」的傳統。但對抗甚麼，怎樣對抗，確是人言人殊，不過，愈能標榜純潔的言論，就愈顯眼，甚至愈有市場。

]]> By: MeowKun http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5091 MeowKun Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:41:51 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5091 [b]Sisyphus:[/b] Unfortunately, a lot of protestant KNOW and AGREE with this... i never unstand why is this happening, but it is the trend (esp in hong kong) just take a peek at this: http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/ [b]Sisyphus:[/b]
Unfortunately, a lot of protestant KNOW and AGREE with this… i never unstand why is this happening, but it is the trend (esp in hong kong)

just take a peek at this:
http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/

]]> By: martinoei http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5089 martinoei Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:14:53 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5089 我看基督教需要是再一次宗教改革，改革自己的心靈，這才是馬丁路德當年質疑天主教開的路。 天主教開了兩次大公會議，吸納了部分革命神學的思路，連教皇都不介在清真寺與其他回教徒一起敬拜上帝。香港的基督徒，吾不欲觀之。 我看基督教需要是再一次宗教改革，改革自己的心靈，這才是馬丁路德當年質疑天主教開的路。

天主教開了兩次大公會議，吸納了部分革命神學的思路，連教皇都不介在清真寺與其他回教徒一起敬拜上帝。香港的基督徒，吾不欲觀之。

]]> By: Sisyphus http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5087 Sisyphus Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:19:27 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5087 講開論斷, 葛福臨自己都是論斷人和事的表表者. 美國那個特大颱風 Katrina, 吹襲 New Orleans 殺死千多人之後, 葛福臨講過這些話: "This is one wicked city, OK? It's known for Mardi Gras, for Satan worship ... They believe God is going to use that storm to bring revival." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600878/ 幾句話就將一個城市和居民都定性為罪惡, 不分男女老幼, 他們的不幸是神的懲罰. 如果教徒們還不明白的, 葛福臨的話就等如說南亞海嘯是神對拜假神的人的懲罰. 類似的驚人言論葛福臨還有出賣, 教徒們邀請人去佈道會之前自己 Google 或者上 Wiki 看看吧. 講開論斷, 葛福臨自己都是論斷人和事的表表者. 美國那個特大颱風 Katrina, 吹襲 New Orleans 殺死千多人之後, 葛福臨講過這些話:

“This is one wicked city, OK? It’s known for Mardi Gras, for Satan worship … They believe God is going to use that storm to bring revival.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600878/

幾句話就將一個城市和居民都定性為罪惡, 不分男女老幼, 他們的不幸是神的懲罰.

如果教徒們還不明白的, 葛福臨的話就等如說南亞海嘯是神對拜假神的人的懲罰.

類似的驚人言論葛福臨還有出賣, 教徒們邀請人去佈道會之前自己 Google 或者上 Wiki 看看吧.

]]> By: 阿唐 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5085 阿唐 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:49:24 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5085 我不知道從什麼時候開始, 很多基督徒都變得很defensive, 一被問及信仰的問題就會便會張牙舞爪地反擊..... 在我個人觀感而言, 肥醫生的comment像感嘆/反思 多過似惡意批評, 有所謂愛之深.責之切, 為什麼"有些人" 不能安靜的思考一下, 為何別人會有如此感受?! 我不知道從什麼時候開始, 很多基督徒都變得很defensive, 一被問及信仰的問題就會便會張牙舞爪地反擊….. 在我個人觀感而言, 肥醫生的comment像感嘆/反思 多過似惡意批評, 有所謂愛之深.責之切, 為什麼”有些人” 不能安靜的思考一下, 為何別人會有如此感受?!

]]> By: iamtinma http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5083 iamtinma Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:29:56 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5083 你好，肥醫生，我就是那Tim的朋友。 你的blog寫的說話令我很有同感，我真的對教會失望，所以轉貼了。 想不到我的「朋友，是舊教友」看罷我的xanga便在我xanga留言「shame on you」，我看了很不開心。 想不到他還在你的文章說同一句話，令更多人看清楚某些激烈的教徒是如何narrow minded，硬要把自己的value強加於其他教徒/非信徒身上。再唔係，就搬神出黎，唔識引經據典就露番原型尾巴，一句「shame on you」搞掂。 我信了+返了教會七年啦，返得教會越久，就是對教會失望，為什麼教徒總是覺得其他教徒懷疑信仰，就是對不起神？為什麼教徒離開教會，一定是信徒的罪？有沒有想過教會都有問題？怕且大家會take care一兩個信徒離開教會，已是太高流失率要檢討的時候吧！又或者，新朋友不斷加入，只是一個半個人對教會失望+想離開教會，教會覺得一個半個走左有咩所謂呀，做咩要considerate佢？教會有沒有放下尊貴的身段去回應(失望)教徒的聲音？ 再轉貼你這一篇"再思"在我的xanga，希望你別介意。 你好，肥醫生，我就是那Tim的朋友。
你的blog寫的說話令我很有同感，我真的對教會失望，所以轉貼了。
想不到我的「朋友，是舊教友」看罷我的xanga便在我xanga留言「shame on you」，我看了很不開心。
想不到他還在你的文章說同一句話，令更多人看清楚某些激烈的教徒是如何narrow minded，硬要把自己的value強加於其他教徒/非信徒身上。再唔係，就搬神出黎，唔識引經據典就露番原型尾巴，一句「shame on you」搞掂。

我信了+返了教會七年啦，返得教會越久，就是對教會失望，為什麼教徒總是覺得其他教徒懷疑信仰，就是對不起神？為什麼教徒離開教會，一定是信徒的罪？有沒有想過教會都有問題？怕且大家會take care一兩個信徒離開教會，已是太高流失率要檢討的時候吧！又或者，新朋友不斷加入，只是一個半個人對教會失望+想離開教會，教會覺得一個半個走左有咩所謂呀，做咩要considerate佢？教會有沒有放下尊貴的身段去回應(失望)教徒的聲音？

再轉貼你這一篇”再思”在我的xanga，希望你別介意。

]]> By: HW http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5080 HW Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:34:48 +0000 http://doctorfat.wordpress.com/2007/11/29/%e5%86%8d%e6%80%9dsee-tim%e7%9a%84%e7%95%99%e8%a8%80/#comment-5080 Garlic: 「對不起，你說教會半句壞話，他們會聽不明，之外…」 好些時候，其實都不是壞話，只是一些反思、省察，都會觸動敏感的神經。讓教會看來是似豆腐，經不起理智思考似的...... Garlic:

「對不起，你說教會半句壞話，他們會聽不明，之外…」

好些時候，其實都不是壞話，只是一些反思、省察，都會觸動敏感的神經。讓教會看來是似豆腐，經不起理智思考似的……

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